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John - 2007-10-05 17:01:55 - http://foundertruth.diaryland.com/
Actually, the U.S. STILL has a military presence in both Japan and Germany...and, as you'll note, representative democracy is doing just fine in both countries. So, neener-neener to my clueless fellow Democrats.

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Smed - 2007-10-05 17:47:49 - http://smedindy.diaryland.com
This is all subjective HOOEY from Fox. From TPM: You won't be surprised to hear that Fox News cherry-picked from its own poll to portray Democrats as unpatriotic, but this latest one is so comically dishonest that I feel truly privileged -- overjoyed, even -- to be the one sharing it with you. Fox News is now running with a story that says this: FOX News Poll: Nearly 1 in 5 Democrats Say World Will Be Better Off if U.S. Loses War NEW YORK � Nearly one out of every five Democrats thinks the world will be better off if America loses the war in Iraq, according to the FOX News Opinion Dynamics Poll released Thursday. The percentage of Democrats (19 percent) who believe that is nearly four times the number of Republicans (5 percent) who gave the same answer. PowerLine and a phalanx of other wingnut bloggers are linking to the poll as proof that Dems are unpatriotic. This is buffoonish enough to begin with. But let's put that aside for a sec. Turns out that if you dig into the guts of the actual poll, you find another interesting number. The survey also asked people whether they've ever prayed for the troops in Iraq. The poll's finding? Eighty-four percent of Dems said they had. Needless to say, that number wasn't in Fox's story on the poll. But it gets better. Fox's story included a partisan breakdown of the answers to every question in the poll except that one. You can literally picture the author of the Fox story working through the poll, coming to the number showing that virtually all Democrats reported praying for the troops, and saying: "Whoops, better not include that!" Really, the desperation here is just palpable. Update: TPM Reader V emails in a nice catch from the poll: More Dems than Republicans have prayed for the Iraq War to end.

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Dave - 2007-10-05 19:35:52 -
Actually, Smed:<br><br>Large majorities of Americans say they have said a prayer for soldiers serving in Iraq and for the war to end, while just over half say they have prayed for President Bush.<br>Most people � 87 percent � say they have said a prayer for the troops, and another 77 percent have prayed for the war in Iraq to end. A much smaller 54 percent majority of Americans say they have prayed for the president.<br> Among groups, Democrats (80 percent) and Republicans (76 percent) are about equally likely to say they have prayed for the war to end, and women (80 percent) are only slightly more likely than men (73 percent) to have done so. <br>That's <i>in the story I linked to</i>. Maybe you missed that part.

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Bob - 2007-10-05 20:17:43 - http://shadowgm.diaryland.com
Come on, Japan ? Germany ? Iraq. Nothing is that simple when it comes to government, especially when you have a parliament split more along religious lines than political ones. Democracy is more than holding an election, and the Iraqis didn't exactly have a stable infrastructure or experience running the place before we kicked it all over. --- As for who hopes what, what exactly does 'better off if America lost' cover? It can cover not grinding our military force to dust as well as the implied liberal defeatism. Truth remains, as long as our leaders aren't being honest about the mission, we can't win.

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